7 surviving Children of John Williams & Catherine Hughes see their pages for censuses with the children in

Yarnold & Baker Ancestry trees

 a scrappy piece of paper from my younger sister giving some further details of the children born to John Owen and Catherine
( no further details of her).then goes on to list the children:
  a)John Williams (baker?) marries Mary and has children Madge and John,next generation Menai and Kenneth. According to my 
sisters notes Mary was ( Marchioness of Anglesy)   
  b)John Owen carpenter. Jane Jones . Children Mary,Catherine,John,Glenys and Laura   
 c)Kate Ellen. We all know what happened there  
  d) William a teacher m. Annie and had Menai,Ceridwyn and Nancy? In Canada   
 e) GriffithRichard Buses??! m. Jenny a nurse  and had 2 children John and Mona   
 F) Martha Ann baker just says + 1  
   g) Harry + Mancunian 5 children   
 Jean says Mummy got her to write all this down when Mummy was 83. She was already dementing by then so.....

  Confused by the first John Williams above!!

1. Mary Williams ~1875 . From above, just maybe married a John and has children Madge and John, next generation Menai and Kenneth- very dubious .

2. Owen Williams born Dec1876/Jan 1877. Dies 17/07/1878, age 1 year 7 months- on a gravestone

3. John Owen Williams Carnarvon Sep 1879- 1921. (baker?/carpenter??). Kelly says he died 1921 but not on BMD as John O Williams, but 2 John Williams die Holywell Flintshire in 1921: we know he is buried in Connah's Quay in 1921

1900 certificate of competence in ship carpentry

1901C. John O Williams, a carpenter worker Ships yard, single, b. Port Dinorwic, 22, single, a boarder in Connahs Quay

1902. Married Jane Ellis Jones Sep Festinog

1911C. Living 3 Cestrain Street, Connahs Quay . Married 10 years, 3 children, all alive

Married Jane Jones. Children Mary,Catherine,John,Glenys and Laura - from scrap of paper. Just, 13/4/2017, heard of a Kelly Jones whose Nan is a descendant of John Owen Williams. She then contacted me late 2017

1921. J O Williams died

1939.3 Cestrian Street, Connahs Quay

Jane dies 1945.

Kelly might send me more info- as of 11/2/2018

4. Hugh Elias Williams born Dec 1881/Jan 1882; dies 16/5/1886, aged 4 years 5 months - on a gravestone

5/6. William Robert Williams 8/9/1884- 1961: twin of Maggie's mother, Catherine Ellen Williams. He a Headmaster seemingly in 1920 & in 1939

Initiated into the Masons 1908, Cedewein Lodge, Newton

Married Ann J Bailey Llanfylin Jun 1919

Courtesy of Yarnold Ancestry tree

Children: Menai Bailey Williams Ç1920; Ceridwen B Williams 1923, & Anne Bailey Williams 1924-2007. All born Llanfylin

Menai married Philip L Redfern Llanfyllin Dec 1943 . Menai had 2 children: Prudence (Prue) E Redfern 1949 and David ~1952. Now, 12/4/2017, in contact with Prue Baker. Menai died in 2013 at the age of 94, having had dementia and lived in a care home here for nearly 10 years.  Such a sad way to finish an interesting and varied life. Prue is widowed, now living in Lymington, Hampshire, having spent her working life in London.  She has a degree in Modern Languages and worked as a librarian for Esso before expanding into general management.  She was CEO for Europe and the Middle East of a worldwide firm of architects when she retired.  She has 3 step-children - Mathew who is married with 3 children and lives in Oman, Simon is also married and living in London and then Charlotte is 26 and still living with Prue part-time while working as a journalist locally. Cannot find Menai in 1939 Register

Ceridwen had 3 children: Mark ~1947, Tim ~1952 and Julia ~1964. Mark is married and is a retired academic specialising in Balinese anthropology. Tim is an art dealer in London with a wife and 2 grown up children. Julia was sadly widowed ~2015 when her husband had a heart attack.  She has 2 teenage children and works as an actuary in London.

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Ceridwen . . . . Menai

Ann Bailey Williams- seemed to be known as Nan- married Howard Roberts 1952 Carnarvon and died 2007 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada- Baker Ancestry tree,They had 2 children: David- very interested in FH - and Peter: they both live in Winnipeg

1939 Register. Bryntyrrion Road, Llanfylin

Ceridwen B Williams married Thomas I Hofbauer Hampstead Mar 1945

William R Williams died Bournemouth Jun 1961

 Menai married Philip Redfern and had two girls.Lily lived on in her family home which was a farm on the Conway valley.
 Her husband had died but she had a son . I remember that for a while she ran a tea shop come restaurant 
  in Conway itself.

5/6. Catherine Ellen Williams 8/9/1884 - 1949

7. Griffith Richard Williams Carnarvon Mar 1887 . 24/11/1886 - 25/12/1945 .

According to Joslyn Ancestry tree, marries Ruth Agnes Wren in San Mateo California on 9/12/1920. Has 2 children: Barbara Ruth Williams 1924-2007 and Mary Jane Williams 1928-2002 . But this rubbish!!

From Tracey, owner of Yarnold Ancestry tree, he had a daughter Monica, her grandmother. He married, he a driver mechanic, aged 36, in Llanrwst, Denbighshire in 1925, a Jennie Owen. They had John Williams Oct 1925 - 2013 & Monica Williams 1930 - 2016, Griffith then being a motor omnibus driver . He died 25/12/1945 in Conway of liver cancer. Monica Williams married Raymond Jones and they had Terence Wynn Jones 1952-2011 and Kevin Richard Jones 1959-2012.

Died , aged 54, 25/12/1945, buried 29/12/1945 St Agnes Church Cemetery, Conway - age not quite right! Funeral costs £24. 5.6d

From Prue: "David- likely her 1st cousin, son of Ann Bailey Williams 1924 - recently came across a Welsh Facebook group where a member was appealing for information about Captain John Williams.  I have been in touch with her and she is a teenager helping her grandmother to find her family. Her Nan must be a descendant of Griffith Williams, another of her Taid’s- William R Williams 1894 - siblings who was a bus driver and used to deliver the bread from the family bakery whilst on his bus route!

8. Martha Ann Williams Carnarvon Dec 1889. Baker +1??

9. Henry Elias Williams Carnarvon Dec 1892 -1945 Manchester

A seaman, born 11/9/1891?, Port Dinorwic in 1918-FMP

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1933. Maybe married Dilys Roberts Carnarvon Sep 1933 . Cannot find on 1939 register and no seeming death 1930 onwards in Caernarvonshire

Yarnold tree has him marrying an Isabella Staniforth- cannot find this marriage in England or Wales- could be Scotland . I think he married ? maybe a Thomas - not a Fleming!!

According to the above notes from Jean, he might have married a Mancunian and had 5 children?? He seemingly died, aged 54, in 1946 Manchester

According to Yarnold tree, children Jack Fleming 1915-1993, Elizabeth Williams 1923-2008, Henry Elias Williams 1925-1966 [lost at sea Hongkong] & Catherine Williams 1939-1967[ brain tumour]

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