William A Muir son aged 1 born Glassford Lanark
Robert Home Muir ~1897 - 1966
1897. Born Tardeo, Bombay to Alexander Muir & Ellen Houston on 16/11/1897. Baptised 5/1/1898 - certificate on his father's page
1901C. Robert Home Muir, 3, is living at 75 Ashborn Road Toxteth Park Liverpool. with his parents and 2 siblings Possibly temporary accommodation awaiting return to India.
William A Muir son aged 1 born Glassford Lanark
No shipping record found for the family returning to Bombay, where his father had worked around 1897 & 8 and where Robert was born . But shipping records to and fro from India are practically non-existent.
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Alexander, Robert Home, Ruby May, William & Helen ~1901 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Ruby May, Robert & William ~1909
1907. His father dies 30/3/1907 and is buried in Sewri Cemetery, Bombay
1909. His widowed mother remarries a Harold Elliott in Bombay.
1911C. FMP. He and his younger brother are at school in Crouch End: Robert 13 and William 11 at Oatfield School, Haslemere Road, Crouch End, Hornsey. No place of birth given. Sister, Ruby Muir, 14 is at Crouch End High School and College for Ladies, her birthplace given as Bombay India. . Have not located the widowed/remarried mother, Helen Muir/Elliott.
When he left school, he likely returned to Renfrew to train as an engineer. Aged 17, as no. 2207, he joined the Territorial Force, Army records exist for him on Ancestry. He appears to have joined the Territorials on 23/2/1914, number 2207, also 30G296, apparent age 17, as an engineer, shoring smith. Shoring is a method of bracing a structure to keep it from collapsing. Admitted to the Queens Own Royal Glasgow Infantry. Height 5' 11". His employer then in 1914 was Lobnitz & Co. Renfrew. Lobnitz Marine Holdings is a Scottish shipbuilding company located at Renfrew on the River Clyde, west of the Renfrew Ferry crossing and east of the confluence with the River Cart. The company builds dredgers, floating docks, fishing boats, tugs and workboats - NO LINKS.. Served in France. Released into civil employment in Jan 1916 to Messrs Barclay Curle & Co, 36 Finnieston Street Glasgow. Next of kin given as his sister - Mrs Elliott, Cardean, Albert Drive Renfrew - this his remarried mother! His address on another form was 62/82 Paisley Road Renfrew. Transferred September 1916 - given age then 20 - to Inland Water Transport. His number then as Spr was 205159, classed as a Fitter and receiving pay of 1s/8d by 1917.
Received the British War & Victory & Territorial Force War Medals. This record to be found at : http://search.ancestry.co.uk/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=1219&path=M.Mu.Mui.8063 - no link to this, type it into Google independently!
Received from his son John: I am sure Graham will have explained that my parents separated in 1939 and subsequently divorced c.1947, although I have not been able to get up the details on line.
Incidentally, father's middle name is a variation of Hume and was, I am told, pronounced as though spelt that way.
Other incidental info declared on the record his ticket was paid by Humphrey Ltd, He described himself as 6' 2", fair complexion, brown hair and brown eyes. So that lets me off Rona cos' mine are blue and yours are brown!!
As to his funeral I suspect that there were few in attendance. Can you recall who and how many were there? You mention his second wife was not there or responded to your parents contact. Are you referring to Mrs White, who I recall had 2 boys at Lancing College. Did they not divorce?"
If he remarried in England, this would have been 1954/5 to an Evelyn Proctor/Parker in Thanet or to a Veronica Bennett in Crosby . I favour the first, as his first marriage to Kathleen Spiers was in Thanet in 1929. Apparently his 2nd wife thought he had lots of money, whilst he thought that she was wealthy: they discovered the truth once married and the marriage only lasted 6 months or so.
My reading of the sequence of events is that when the grandparents returned to India, from their sojurn in Liverpool (1901) and after your father's birth in Glassford, Lanark, that the boys were sent back to the UK to the Crouch End school. Their education must have preceeded their callup/enlistment in 1914. I do have a leather bound book given to father as a prize for maths by the school."
1915. Received £100 from the Will of his godfather & uncle, Robert Home Muir 1853
1929. Robert Home Muir married Kathleen Alice Spiers 1929 Thanet . They had John H & Rona M Muir, twins, Thanet Sep 1934. They separated in 1939 and divorced in 1947.
1939 Register . Kathleen A Muir is living Hunt Cottage Alcester Warwicks. 2 of the closed records are almost certainly the twins, John & Rona . Frances M Spiers , the householder, is likely her mother. Maybe Henry A Spiers , who has a disability and finding his job too strenuous, her father
| Kathleen A | Muir | 09 Feb 1905 | Female | Unpaid Domestic Duties | Married | 33 | 3 | ||
| Frances M | Spiers | 13 Apr 1888 | Female | Unpaid Domestic Duties | Married | 33 | 1 | ||
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| Henry A | Spiers | 27 May 1889 | Male | Inspector Of Gun Component (Trainee) Bsa ? Duties ? | Married | ||||
Also a Robert H Muir, contracting engineer, married, but born 16/3/1895, is living, alone, at 14 Purcells Avenue, Hendon in 1939 Register - could be he
He remarried , probably to Evelyn Proctor/Parker Thanet in ~1954 , but the marriage did not last
Graham has at least one snapshot of him with Graham's parents.