Frederick James Gosling 1886 - 1974

 

1886. Frederick James Gosling born 21/7/1886 at 79 Helen Street, Roath..Sep 1886 Cardiff. to parents James Gosling & Jane Taylor . James was a Machinist. He was baptised Roath 1/10/1886 to James & Jane, he machinist, of 79 Helen Street.7 9 Helen Street no longer exists - Lesley

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1886. Family move to Bertram Street soon after his birth - from Street Directory, Gill.

1891C. Family at 39 Bertram Street, but not in census due to enumerator's mistake!

1901C. Frederick Gosling, aged 14, docklands office boy, living with his parents & 6 of his surviving 11 siblings , 39 Bertram Street, Roath

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1911C. Probably a barman, Fredrick Gosling, aged 24, b. Cardiff, in the Belle Vue Hotel, Merthyr Tydfil

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Frederick Gosling. Studio portrait , maybe ~1906? . . and in his army uniform, maybe 1914?: looks young here for age of almost 30!

1914-18. Obviously joined up , but know nothing - yet - about this .His numbers were, MAYBE, S/16031 1st Bn Rifle Brigade and then maybe 12th Rifle brigade dated 1919 (Roll of individuals entitled to medals) but that's it.Have just found something that tells new to try National Archives in Kew, tried that but seems to think that a lot of records we lost though bombing If he were the Frederick J Gosling below he did not serve in France before 1916- no 15 star medal . Also a record for the same name and army number, but as a Cprl, in the 3rd, 10th & 11th Bns!

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Very odd that the same man, according to the number. 16031, has 2 seemingly different records!!

3rd Battalion
August 1914 : at Cork. Under command of 17th Brigade in 6th Division. Moved to Cambridge but quickly on to Newmarket.
12 September 1914 : landed at St Nazaire.
14 October 1915 : transferred with Brigade to 24th Division.


10th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Winchester in September 1914 as part of K2 and came under command of 59th Brigade in 20th (Light) Division. Moved to Blackdown, going on in February 1915 to Witley and then in April to Hamilton Camp (Stonehenge) and subsequently No12 Canadian Camp at Larkhill.
21 July 1915 : landed at Boulogne.
5 February 1918 : disbanded at La Clytte, having sustained very heavy casualties during the latter stage of the Battle of Cambrai on 30 November 1917.

11th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Winchester in September 1914 as part of K2 and came under command of 59th Brigade in 20th (Light) Division. Moved to Blackdown, going on in February 1915 to Witley and then in April to Hamilton Camp (Stonehenge).
21 July 1915 : landed at Boulogne.

12th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Winchester in September 1914 as part of K2 and came under command of 60th Brigade in 20th (Light) Division. Moved to Blackdown, going on in February 1915 to Witley and then in April to Larkhill.
22 July 1915 : landed at Boulogne.

 

1918. Marries, aged 31, Ida M. Bushell, b.~1895, on 23/3/1918, occupation Soldier -Tamworth Mar 1918. Lesley has the m.c. Apparently Ida was a chronic asthmatic.

1920 Joan Beryl Gosling born 18/8/1920 at 6 Newport Road,  Trethomas, Bedwas, Cardiff. Sep 1920 Newport M. Father Frederick given as a coal haulier. Known as Beryl by 1927.

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Lesley, daughter of Joan Gosling, outside 6 Newport Road, Bedwas, 2011

Could look up Electoral Rolls for Newport Road and find what period of time Frederick Gosling lived there.

Bedwas was where his brother Harold Ennis Gosling 1896 married Esther Shattock in 1921.

1922. Vera Gwendoline Gosling born 17/5/1922. Sep 1922 Newport M.

1927 . Frederick Gosling emigrates to Melbourne 20/9/1927 on the Beltana from London. Aged 41, an underground worker - coal miner? Was living 42 Hillside Terrace Bedwas, Newport.

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Entry record, 13/11/1927, has him as a dairy farmer!.

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Told the family that they would only hear from him if 'he made good': they never did. His son, Alan, was born on 5/5/1928 so his wife was about 4 months pregnant when they embarked

A discrepancy between being an underground worker and a dairy farmer!!

Ida's sister Gwen was already in Australia. Her future husband William Robins had been wounded in Belgium and was moved to England - Gwen and her friend went to the hospital to visit someone and that is where she meet Will.
Will returned to Australia [born there] and Gwen followed[ no passenger records for either of them 1918-1927 on Findmypast, but William would have returned probably on a troop ship]. Ida and Gwen's parents were deceased [ father 1906 & mother 1895- the year Ida was born], there was an elder brother but he had died aged 5 - & a second marriage for the father probably produced a girl.

1928 Last child Alan John Gosling born.5/5/1928. He had a son Jeff Halse - made contact with him 17/10/2020: Jeff Halse <jeffhalse007@gmail.com>

From Electoral Rolls, 1931,1936, 1937, 1942, 1947, 1954 , Frederick Gosling seems to be living Wimmera Victoria 1931-1942, & Mallee Victoria 1947-1954. This odd - all the time at Red Cliffs? Maybe left Block 155 between 1943-1947 and moved into the centre of Redcliffs. Lesley - where were you born and where did you live 1943-1954?

His granddaughter Lesley thinks the family first lived at the Soldiers Settlement Yatpool - this ~6 km south of Red Cliffs; maybe where Block 155 was? Frederick was a labourer for a Mr West.. It was where Ida's sister, Gwendoline & her husband William Robins were living; they had come out to Australia earlier. Look them up on Electoral Rolls
Frederick James Gosling shows up as a Labourer in all census and Ida shows up as Home Duties, i.e. 1931, 1936, 1942, 1946?.  Their address reads:  c/- Block 155. Red Cliffs. [ A Block here refers to a piece of land allocated to returned soldiers: Frederick was a labourer for one of these ex soldiers, Mr West, and had accomodation on his land]

Vera Gwendoline Gosling appears in the 1947 Census living at c/- Block 155, Stewart and her occupation is home duties.

Where it stated that Vera lived c/- Block 155 Stewart.  -Stewart Road [ ? same as Calder Highway? or the Old Stewart school road?] is a long road that runs into Red Cliffs and her address should maybe read Red Cliffs rather than Stewart.

Have failed to find a map showing the Soldier Settlements which is what Block 155 would have been . Red Cliffs was a resettlement project for soldiers returning from WW1 & WW2. An Australian website exists for it :

http://www.cv.vic.gov.au/stories/memories-of-a-soldier-settlement/

1951. His wife, Ida May Gosling dies 24/5/1951. Red Cliffs. Aged 56. Probably at 78 Ilex Street - Lesley d.c??

1954   According to the 1954 Australian Electoral Roll Frederick James Gosling lived at 78 Ilex Street [this right in the centre of town], Red Cliffs and also lived with Alan John Gosling and Vera Gwendoline Gosling of the same address. Frederick is a labourer, VG is home duties and AJ is a storeman..

Apparently Frederick won a lottery with the 2 young West boys and was able to build his own house in the centre of Red Cliffs, at 78 Ilex Street and to buy a brand new Ford Prefect car. This probably ~1947, as this is when his Electoral Roll entry changes from Wimmera to Mallee.

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78 Ilex Street . Frederick and Ida on the left and Ida's sister Gwendoline and her husband William Robins and their two boys , Jeffrey & Ewart 1940/41.

After Ida died, Frederick remarried Eva Lillian Nelson on 29/4/1957 . His daughter Vera disapproved. She died 15/6/1989 at Red Cliffs. 1918-1989, so 32 years younger than Frederick

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Fred on Lesley's brothers bike, probably about 1956 , son-in-law Henry Bowen in the middle and a family friend

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Eva & Frederick Gosling & Beryl . Year?

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4 generations: Beryl on the left, Fred holding Lesley's daughter, and Lesley - 1963

1974. Frederick James Gosling dies 12/6/1974 at Red Cliffs, Victoria. Aged 88. Red Cliffs is just over 13 kms from Mildura . Lesley has his d.c- he given as labourer

Ask Lesley to write her memories of him . He was very artistic, and used to do cross stitch embroidery.

Any of his possessions remained with his widow Eva and were thus lost to his Gosling descendants.

CHILDREN OF FREDERICK JAMES GOSLING

1..Beryl Joan Gosling. Born 18/8/1920, 6 Newport Road,  Trethomas, Bedwas, Cardiff, Wales. Married Henry James Bowen 1913-1959 . Died 6/5/2010 Werribee/Melbourne Victoria .

She had 4 children : Lesley Joan Bowen, 1943, - who married John Raeburn in 1962 & has 2 children- & another girl, Altona [ lives Hoppers Crossing, Melbourne, Victoria] , & 2 boys, Peter Gosling [ lives Koondrook, country Victoria] &. ? Gosling[ lives in Perth] .

2. Vera Gwendoline Gosling. Born 1922 Cardiff Wales. Still living, unmarried, with her father at 78 Ilex Street Red Cliffs in 1954. Married Albert Kenney and had a son Graham Kenney 1966. Died 26/10/2010

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Vera's wedding in 1956 . Frederick Gosling is on left with glasses.

3. Alan John Gosling. Born in Victoria 5/5/1928 [thus conceived before they left Cardiff] . Died Novembr 1986. He never married but 'I believe he had 5 children 3 boys 2 girls 4 of us brought up together for some time. He is not listed on my bc as my father and my mother was married to halse at the time, I did not know this until I had to get my driving licence and needed bc# Jeff Halse : Jeffry Gosling/Halse??- have contact with him oct 2020- 1962 whose mother was Marian, then Kenneth Gosling Jan 1967, Leanne Gosling Dec 1967 & Raelene Gosling 1968, the mother of the last 3 being a Joan, who died in 2006 . Leslie's Ancestry tree has a Jean Louise Bishop 1932-2008 as the mother of 3 of his children

Now in contact with Kenneth Gosling - as of 29/5/2017 Kennygozza@gmail.com.au- THIS Incorrect- bounced, try mikeskelly email

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Beryl . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . Vera . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Alan . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Alan in 1962

 

I was very pleased to discover Frederick's granddaughter, Lesley Joan Bowen, in Australia. Thus the search for the vanished Frederick, beloved brother of Anne's father, Harold, was finally successful in 2011. Lesley was also pleased to discover her roots: she knew her grandfather well but he never mentioned any siblings, yet alone 15 of them!! She has now visited Roath and Bedwas and been royally entertained by Anne's sisters and families there. She has 2 Ancestry trees, Brooking & Bowen, but has not expanded the Goslings on either of these as of December 2012..

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